Modérateurs: Garion, Silverwitch
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
Stéphane a écrit:Vous avez voté non, en même temps.
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
Stéphane a écrit:T'en as pas plus, pour le coup. Combien de troupes, comment, pour combien de temps ? Avec quel mandat, objectif ?
TERMS AND CONDITIONS AGREEMENT
WHEREAS the United States of America has provided significant financial and material support to Ukraine since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022;
WHEREAS the American people desire to invest alongside Ukraine in a free and secure Ukraine;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine desire a lasting piece in Ukraine and a durable partnership between their two peoples and governments;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine wish to ensure that hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine following a durable peace;
NOW, THEREFORE, the United States of America and Ukraine intend to enter into an agreement on the establishment of a Reconstruction Investment Fund herein to deepen the partnership between the United States of America and Ukraine.
Parties: United States of America (USG) and Ukraine (GOU)
Les États-Unis prendront 50 % des revenus récurrents perçus par l’Ukraine provenant de l’extraction de ressources, ainsi que 50 % de la valeur financière de « toutes les nouvelles licences délivrées à des tiers » pour la monétisation future des ressources. Il y aura « un privilège sur ces revenus » en faveur des États-Unis. « Cette clause signifie "payez-nous d'abord, puis nourrissez vos enfants" », a déclaré une source proche des négociations.
Il est stipulé que « pour toutes les licences futures, les États-Unis auront un droit de préemption pour l’achat de minerais exportables ». Washington bénéficiera de l’immunité souveraine et acquerra un contrôle quasi total sur l’essentiel de l’économie des matières premières et des ressources de l’Ukraine. Le fonds « aura le droit exclusif d’établir la méthode, les critères de sélection, ainsi que les termes et conditions » de toutes les licences et projets futurs. Et ainsi de suite, dans cette veine. Cela semble avoir été rédigé par des avocats du secteur privé, et non par les départements d’État ou du Commerce des États-Unis.
I wonder how “Ukraine is an American puppet” and “it’s a proxy war” crowd explains this https://t.co/idG7yYD6gJ
— Paul Shapoval (@Frialum) February 17, 2025
How’s the ‘it’s a proxy war’ crowd feeling about this, huh? https://t.co/okaFzXoh7e
— Oleksandra Povoroznyk 🇺🇦 (@rynkrynk) February 17, 2025
russian advancements in the last 3 weeks of war:
— 🇺🇦 NAFO Dark Squad 🇺🇦 (@TankChanChannel) February 20, 2025
- Pokrovsk direction - 15km2
- Kursk direction - 0.5km2
-U.S.A. direction - 9147420 km2
They move quite fast, indeed. pic.twitter.com/Mof6zDC6xK
Fouad a écrit:
Je n'ai aucune sympathie pour Hanouna ni pour la chaine de télé poubelle C8 mais quand on pense que Macron a fait fermer C8 et que LCI continue d'émettre sans jamais être inquiétée par la censure d'état (ce machin qui s'appelle l'Arcom) on se dit que le degré d'odscénité morale qui règne en France atteint des niveaux stratosphériques.
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
We did not surrender when we were given three days and the American embassy was packing its bags.
— Borysovych (@Borysovych57466) February 20, 2025
We did not surrender our capital when elite Russian units were in its suburbs.
We repelled the enemy from Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy. We defeated them in the Kharkiv region. We… pic.twitter.com/zooZhu1vcf
We did not surrender when we were given three days and the American embassy was packing its bags.
We did not surrender our capital when elite Russian units were in its suburbs.
We repelled the enemy from Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy. We defeated them in the Kharkiv region. We liberated Kherson. And we tied them up in battles in the Donbas, which the enemy could not capture for three years.
We invented FPV. And with drones for $500, we took out more than half of its armored potential.
We paralyzed the Russian fleet.
We destroyed dozens of refineries.
We forced the enemy to burn entire brigades for the sake of one village, to fight in crippled regiments, to transfer to donkeys, and to become artillery dependent on the Koreans and economically dependent on the Chinese.
For the first time in history, we entered the territory of a nuclear state in order to force the aggressor to make peace.
And at the same time, no matter how difficult it was, we did not fall apart, we retained control.
We won subjectivity.
At a high price.
Perhaps we are the last adults in this turbulent world. And no matter how hard we try to rock our ship, to undermine our inner stability, we will write our own future.
And even if we are given a few days again, this does not mean that all the predictions will come true.
Orest Drymalovskyi *salut militaire* *drapeau ukrainien*
Nous n'avons pas capitulé lorsque trois jours nous furent donnés et que l’ambassade américaine pliait bagage.
Nous n'avons pas abandonné notre capitale alors que les unités d’élite russes rôdaient dans ses faubourgs.
Nous avons repoussé l’ennemi de Kyiv, de Tchernihiv et de Soumy. Nous l’avons défait dans la région de Kharkiv. Nous avons libéré Kherson. Et nous l’avons enlisé dans les batailles du Donbass, qu’il n’a pu conquérir en trois ans.
Nous avons inventé le FPV. Et avec des drones à 500 dollars, nous avons anéanti plus de la moitié de son potentiel blindé.
Nous avons paralysé la flotte russe.
Nous avons détruit des dizaines de raffineries.
Nous avons contraint l’ennemi à sacrifier des brigades entières pour un seul village, à combattre avec des régiments mutilés, à se rabattre sur des ânes, à devenir dépendant de l’artillerie coréenne et économiquement tributaire des Chinois.
Pour la première fois de l’histoire, nous avons pénétré sur le territoire d’un État nucléaire afin de contraindre l’agresseur à faire la paix.
Et pourtant, malgré l’adversité, nous ne nous sommes pas effondrés, nous avons conservé le contrôle.
Nous avons gagné notre subjectivité.
À un prix élevé.
Peut-être sommes-nous les derniers adultes dans ce monde en tempête. Et quoi qu’on fasse pour secouer notre navire, pour saper notre stabilité intérieure, c’est nous qui écrirons notre propre avenir.
Et même si l'on nous donne encore quelques jours, cela ne signifie pas que toutes les prédictions se réaliseront.
Orest Drymalovskyi *salut militaire* *drapeau ukrainien*
Fouad a écrit:
Je n'ai aucune sympathie pour Hanouna ni pour la chaine de télé poubelle C8 mais quand on pense que Macron a fait fermer C8 et que LCI continue d'émettre sans jamais être inquiétée par la censure d'état (ce machin qui s'appelle l'Arcom) on se dit que le degré d'odscénité morale qui règne en France atteint des niveaux stratosphériques.
Today's cover: Mr. President: Putin is THE dictator and 9 other Ukraine-Russia war truths we ignore at our peril https://t.co/x4XMTe9l2g pic.twitter.com/6Jo7ubR4wo
— New York Post (@nypost) February 21, 2025
Hugues a écrit:Tu sens que t'as un gros problème mental quand même le New York Post qui est censé être aussi bas du front que toi est contre toi...
Hugues
Imagine quelqu'un qui dirait à une femme violée que c'est sa faute, que si elle avait accepté de coucher avec son agresseur, il n'y aurait pas eu de viol.
— Nain Portekoi 🇨🇵 (@Nain_Portekoi) February 19, 2025
Voilà EXACTEMENT ce que Trump vient de dire à l'Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/k3BIudzwVj
❗️Trump: Zelensky had the most beautiful cities, and they're all destroyed.
— 🪖MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 (@front_ukrainian) February 21, 2025
Host: But it's Putin's fault, don't you agree?
Trump: I'm tired of hearing that, I'll tell you this.
Host: Isn't it Putin's fault?
Trump: ignores pic.twitter.com/PV3TtD8tyM
TERMS AND CONDITIONS AGREEMENT
WHEREAS the United States of America has provided significant financial and material support to Ukraine since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022;
WHEREAS the American people desire to invest alongside Ukraine in a free and secure Ukraine;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine desire a lasting piece in Ukraine and a durable partnership between their two peoples and governments;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine wish to ensure that hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine following a durable peace;
NOW, THEREFORE, the United States of America and Ukraine intend to enter into an agreement on the establishment of a Reconstruction Investment Fund herein to deepen the partnership between the United States of America and Ukraine.
Parties: United States of America (USG) and Ukraine (GOU)
The Ukrainian government has "gone too far" in preventing its nation from being erased from the map. Okay. pic.twitter.com/S8f7mjfijN
— Kareem Rifai 🌐 (@KareemRifai) February 21, 2025
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
La Fédération de Russie, le Royaume-Uni de Grande-Bretagne et d’Irlande du Nord et les États-Unis d’Amérique réaffirment, conformément aux principes énoncés dans l’Acte final de la Conférence sur la sécurité et la coopération en Europe, leur engagement envers l’Ukraine de ne pas recourir à la coercition économique afin de subordonner à leur propre intérêt l’exercice par l’Ukraine des droits inhérents à sa souveraineté et d’en tirer un avantage quelconque.
If anything, the events of this week should've destroyed the "US proxy war in Ukraine" narrative once and for all. pic.twitter.com/jH5SIfOeGG
— Julia Tymoshenko 🇺🇦 (@YuliaTymosha) February 22, 2025
Peace signals exploding behind my window as we speak yet again
— Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz) February 22, 2025
It is very loud in Kyiv this evening.
— Yaroslava Antipina (@strategywoman) February 22, 2025
Air defence is shooting down drones.
The windows are shaking.
You know,
it really became worse after trump
started his negotiations.
As I wrote a few days ago,
unpunished evil has been unleashed.
We have a Shahed Drone on display here at CPAC.
— CPAC (@CPAC) February 22, 2025
The Shahed Drone has been used against and killed U.S. troops in the middle east in addition to countless civilians across the region.
This drone serves as a reminder of how barbaric the Iranian regime is, and serves as a message… pic.twitter.com/eypJzbBaeF
Under the current administration, the country is rapidly becoming a place where truth holds no value. A recent example? Officials presented a so-called "Iranian" Shahed drone, claiming it was launched at American troops—when in fact, it was a Russian kamikaze drone intended to… https://t.co/hcxqtbITrE pic.twitter.com/P8YKveIO8J
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) February 22, 2025
Under the current administration, the country is rapidly becoming a place where truth holds no value. A recent example? Officials presented a so-called "Iranian" Shahed drone, claiming it was launched at American troops—when in fact, it was a Russian kamikaze drone intended to kill Ukrainians. Ukrainian defenders shot it down, yet the truth was buried. To sell the false narrative, all Russian markings were conveniently covered up.
This isn’t about facts; it’s about controlling the story. Deception has become the norm, and those in power have no interest in honesty—only in shaping reality to fit their agenda.
Am I tripping or did they actually just covered Cyrillic lettering on the drone to cover up that it was a russian version of it used to kill Ukrainians and taken down by Ukrainians?
— Anastasiya Paraskevova (@UkrainianAna) February 22, 2025
Like... I must be tripping, right?
Because surely it can't be this blatant. https://t.co/A0HrypmquZ pic.twitter.com/MJ789999rd
Republicans at the CPAC conference used their official X account to tell everyone that the downed Russian drone that the Polish Foreign Minister brought from Ukraine was Iranian and was used against US troops in the middle east, even hiding the Cyrillic writing in photos. https://t.co/2Sheyr1qFF pic.twitter.com/q8mYMSJf62
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) February 22, 2025
The Foreign Minister of Poland brought a downed Shahed drone to show participants at the Republican CPAC conference in Washington, D.C.
— SPRAVDI — Stratcom Centre (@StratcomCentre) February 21, 2025
Russians are pouring almost 200 of these onto families all over Ukraine, every night.pic.twitter.com/bpGikkdotA
This might contain a few swears. pic.twitter.com/UKDicNujrV
— Jonathan Pie (@JonathanPieNews) February 22, 2025
🇵🇱🇺🇸 President Duda waited outside Trump's door for 1.5 hours to talk to him for 10 minutes, according to Polish media. pic.twitter.com/GO4iMlCL5l
— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) February 23, 2025
Occupied Mariupol. This is how the "liberated" by Russians Azovstal looks today amid the city’s ruins. Russian propaganda plans to transform the plant into a "post-industrial park tourist attraction," aiming to create a main tourist destination in Donbas, built on the bones of… pic.twitter.com/BDSlccbP1e
— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) February 22, 2025
This was the first McDonald's that opened in Kyiv. In 1997. Today, in 2025, it has become another Russian target. Terror, period. pic.twitter.com/IqiD6Zy12i
— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) January 18, 2025
Hugues a écrit:"La paix". Fuck off.
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Peace signals exploding behind my window as we speak yet again
— Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz) February 22, 2025
It is very loud in Kyiv this evening.
— Yaroslava Antipina (@strategywoman) February 22, 2025
Air defence is shooting down drones.
The windows are shaking.
You know,
it really became worse after trump
started his negotiations.
As I wrote a few days ago,
unpunished evil has been unleashed.
En nombre dans le ciel, ça n'a jamais été pire que depuis les "négotiations".
Une proche a découvert récemment que la DCA s'est rapprochée de chez elle.. elle l'entendait de loin maintenant elle entend ça presque à chaque fois.. et les chutes de drones abattu aussi. Un jour ça tombera sur une de ses fenêtres..
Fuck off.
Hugues
Fresh french Ispos polls on Ukraine and it's very interesting :
— Kamylle 🧜🏻♀️ (@ZeodrakeV) February 23, 2025
If the result of negotiations are inacceptable do you think Europeans countries should continue to support Ukraine financially & military without American support :
🟢Yes, 66%
🔴No, 34%
1/ pic.twitter.com/J1Ihy093dq
Would you say you are worried by the fact peace negotiations are taking place directly between Russia and the United State and whiteout European countries ?
— Kamylle 🧜🏻♀️ (@ZeodrakeV) February 23, 2025
🟢Yes - 77%
🔴No - 23% pic.twitter.com/KpQnblfVmS
In the perspective of a withdrawal of America from NATO would you say a common European Defense is ?
— Kamylle 🧜🏻♀️ (@ZeodrakeV) February 23, 2025
🟢Realist & desirable - 38%
🟡Not Realist but desirable - 37%
🔴Not desirable - 9% pic.twitter.com/3eQ1BLHH2w
Source : https://t.co/lspRYib6U7
— Kamylle 🧜🏻♀️ (@ZeodrakeV) February 23, 2025
Hugues a écrit:🇵🇱🇺🇸 President Duda waited outside Trump's door for 1.5 hours to talk to him for 10 minutes, according to Polish media. pic.twitter.com/GO4iMlCL5l
— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) February 23, 2025
Hugues
Poland has spent 30 years building its foreign policy around a strong US alliance. Yesterday, that foundation cracked. Andrzej Duda flew across the Atlantic for a planned hour-long meeting with Trump. He got ten minutes.
— Stuart Dowell (@StuartDowell_) February 23, 2025
This wasn’t just bad optics. It was a humiliation. Poland… pic.twitter.com/bxVMOgABc5
This wasn’t just bad optics. It was a humiliation. Poland has positioned itself as America’s most loyal ally in Europe. But when Trump is reshaping US policy on Ukraine and NATO, Poland was given barely a moment of his time.
Duda had no offer, no clear role after refusing to be part of a stabilisation mission. Meanwhile, France and the UK are shaping proposals on Ukraine. They have leverage.
After the meeting, Duda and his camp scrambled to spin it as a success. They searched for breadcrumbs: Trump’s warm words, a vague mention of military cooperation, a possible visit to Poland. But none of it changes the reality.
Trump’s words were warm, but the actions matter. His team is cutting Ukraine out of talks with Russia. US support for NATO looks uncertain. And yet Duda left Washington with nothing but scraps.
For years, Poland’s security strategy rested on unquestioning faith in the US alliance. That strategy is being dismantled day by day.
BBC: Are you ready to step down for peace?
— Tymofiy Mylovanov (@Mylovanov) February 23, 2025
Zelensky: I am ready to step down for peace
If no peace, I am happy to step down in exchange for NATO for Ukraine
I am focused on security for Ukraine here and today and not staying in power for decades pic.twitter.com/3SZfnsiUYz
At a press conference in Kiev, Zelensky offers to step down in exchange for peace and NATO membership.
— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 23, 2025
Putinists simply don’t understand the man. They’re cynical and self-interested, and lose their minds in the face of real patriotism. pic.twitter.com/yxegvgHGMx
❗️I will not sign something that will later be paid by 10 generations of Ukrainians, - Zelensky. pic.twitter.com/BK1AUvJIkl
— 🪖MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 (@front_ukrainian) February 23, 2025
❗️We are preparing new long-range weapons: we are already striking 1,700 km(!) deep into the territory of the Russian Federation, - Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky. pic.twitter.com/jXdYEHD29Z
— 🪖MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 (@front_ukrainian) February 23, 2025
Zelensky: I will not recognize $500 billion debt to the U.S.
— Tymofiy Mylovanov (@Mylovanov) February 23, 2025
The support was $100 billion
These were grants, and we agreed with Biden and the U.S. Congress [not Trump]
(Zelensky doesn’t name Trump directly, but he is clear that Trump can’t renew on what the U.S. agreed before) pic.twitter.com/zHlGnGQqVx
⚡️ Tomorrow there will be an important summit, perhaps a turning point - we will see, - @ZelenskyyUa
— UATV English (@UATV_en) February 23, 2025
13 partners will come to Kyiv, 24 will join online.
Tomorrow I will propose that we meet in one of the European capitals in the coming days and discuss what format of security… pic.twitter.com/MT9zyWCObs
Cherish these last hours until he awakens and learns about Zelensky’s press conference
— Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz) February 23, 2025
Slight chance that he might nuke us now
— Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz) February 23, 2025
Trump isn't used to actual leaders standing up to him. That extortion won't work on Ukraine. Ukraine has overcome far worse in history. They'll handle Trump too. https://t.co/i4Ei4FjDBS
— Akash Maniam (@ManiamAkash) February 23, 2025
⚡ Zelenskyy: Does a person who wants peace launch 267 drones? pic.twitter.com/xEb4JotpzF
— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) February 23, 2025
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