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sccc a écrit:Hugues,
Ça sert à quoi de mettre deux fois la même chose?
Selon Jose Maria Madiedo, "c'est la première fois dans l'histoire de l'astronomie qu'un flash d'impact lunaire a été enregistré pendant une éclipse lunaire", a-t-il expliqué à NBC. S'il est très rare de pourvoir observer ces impacts, ils sont en réalité très fréquents sur la surface de la Lune, a aussi précisé Randy Korotev, un géochimiste de la Lune, à NBC.
sheon a écrit:Désolé mais ce qui m'a le plus marqué dans la vidéo, c'est de reconnaître la voix d'Antoine Daniel
Mais en vrai c'est un bel exploit
Event Horizon Telescope Collaboration a écrit:
Astronomers Capture First Image of a Black Hole
An international collaboration presents paradigm-shifting observations of the gargantuan black hole at the heart of distant galaxy Messier 87
The Event Horizon Telescope (EHT) — a planet-scale array of eight ground-based radio telescopes forged through international collaboration — was designed to capture images of a black hole. Today, in coordinated press conferences across the globe, EHT researchers reveal that they have succeeded, unveiling the first direct visual evidence of a supermassive black hole and its shadow.
This breakthrough was announced today in a series of six papers published in a special issue of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. The image reveals the black hole at the center of Messier 87 [1], a massive galaxy in the nearby Virgo galaxy cluster. This black hole resides 55 million light-years from Earth and has a mass 6.5 billion times that of the Sun [2].
The EHT links telescopes around the globe to form an Earth-sized virtual telescope with unprecedented sensitivity and resolution [3]. The EHT is the result of years of international collaboration, and offers scientists a new way to study the most extreme objects in the Universe predicted by Einstein’s general relativity during the centennial year of the historic experiment that first confirmed the theory [4].
"We have taken the first picture of a black hole," said EHT project director Sheperd S. Doeleman of the Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian. "This is an extraordinary scientific feat accomplished by a team of more than 200 researchers."
Black holes are extraordinary cosmic objects with enormous masses but extremely compact sizes. The presence of these objects affects their environment in extreme ways, warping spacetime and super-heating any surrounding material.
"If immersed in a bright region, like a disc of glowing gas, we expect a black hole to create a dark region similar to a shadow — something predicted by Einstein’s general relativity that we’ve never seen before, explained chair of the EHT Science Council Heino Falcke of Radboud University, the Netherlands. "This shadow, caused by the gravitational bending and capture of light by the event horizon, reveals a lot about the nature of these fascinating objects and allowed us to measure the enormous mass of M87’s black hole."
Multiple calibration and imaging methods have revealed a ring-like structure with a dark central region — the black hole’s shadow — that persisted over multiple independent EHT observations.
"Once we were sure we had imaged the shadow, we could compare our observations to extensive computer models that include the physics of warped space, superheated matter and strong magnetic fields. Many of the features of the observed image match our theoretical understanding surprisingly well," remarks Paul T.P. Ho, EHT Board member and Director of the East Asian Observatory [5]. "This makes us confident about the interpretation of our observations, including our estimation of the black hole’s mass."
Creating the EHT was a formidable challenge which required upgrading and connecting a worldwide network of eight pre-existing telescopes deployed at a variety of challenging high-altitude sites. These locations included volcanoes in Hawai`i and Mexico, mountains in Arizona and the Spanish Sierra Nevada, the Chilean Atacama Desert, and Antarctica.
The EHT observations use a technique called very-long-baseline interferometry (VLBI) which synchronises telescope facilities around the world and exploits the rotation of our planet to form one huge, Earth-size telescope observing at a wavelength of 1.3 mm. VLBI allows the EHT to achieve an angular resolution of 20 micro-arcseconds — enough to read a newspaper in New York from a sidewalk café in Paris [6].
The telescopes contributing to this result were ALMA, APEX, the IRAM 30-meter telescope, the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope, the Large Millimeter Telescope Alfonso Serrano, the Submillimeter Array, the Submillimeter Telescope, and the South Pole Telescope [7]. Petabytes of raw data from the telescopes were combined by highly specialised supercomputers hosted by the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy and MIT Haystack Observatory.
The construction of the EHT and the observations announced today represent the culmination of decades of observational, technical, and theoretical work. This example of global teamwork required close collaboration by researchers from around the world. Thirteen partner institutions worked together to create the EHT, using both pre-existing infrastructure and support from a variety of agencies. Key funding was provided by the US National Science Foundation (NSF), the EU's European Research Council (ERC), and funding agencies in East Asia.
"We have achieved something presumed to be impossible just a generation ago," concluded Doeleman. "Breakthroughs in technology, connections between the world's best radio observatories, and innovative algorithms all came together to open an entirely new window on black holes and the event horizon."
Notes
[1] The shadow of a black hole is the closest we can come to an image of the black hole itself, a completely dark object from which light cannot escape. The black hole’s boundary — the event horizon from which the EHT takes its name — is around 2.5 times smaller than the shadow it casts and measures just under 40 billion km across.
[2] Supermassive black holes are relatively tiny astronomical objects — which has made them impossible to directly observe until now. As a black hole’s size is proportional to its mass, the more massive a black hole, the larger the shadow. Thanks to its enormous mass and relative proximity, M87’s black hole was predicted to be one of the largest viewable from Earth — making it a perfect target for the EHT.
[3] Although the telescopes are not physically connected, they are able to synchronize their recorded data with atomic clocks — hydrogen masers — which precisely time their observations. These observations were collected at a wavelength of 1.3 mm during a 2017 global campaign. Each telescope of the EHT produced enormous amounts of data — roughly 350 terabytes per day — which was stored on high-performance helium-filled hard drives. These data were flown to highly specialised supercomputers — known as correlators — at the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy and MIT Haystack Observatory to be combined. They were then painstakingly converted into an image using novel computational tools developed by the collaboration.
[4] 100 years ago, two expeditions set out for the island of Príncipe off the coast of Africa and Sobra in Brazil to observe the 1919 solar eclipse, with the goal of testing general relativity by seeing if starlight would be bent around the limb of the sun, as predicted by Einstein. In an echo of those observations, the EHT has sent team members to some of the world's highest and isolated radio facilities to once again test our understanding of gravity.
[5] The East Asian Observatory (EAO) partner on the EHT project represents the participation of many regions in Asia, including China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, India and Indonesia.
[6] Future EHT observations will see substantially increased sensitivity with the participation of the IRAM NOEMA Observatory, the Greenland Telescope and the Kitt Peak Telescope.
[7] ALMA is a partnership of the European Southern Observatory (ESO; Europe, representing its member states), the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF), and the National Institutes of Natural Sciences (NINS) of Japan, together with the National Research Council (Canada), the Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST; Taiwan), Academia Sinica Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics (ASIAA; Taiwan), and Korea Astronomy and Space Science Institute (KASI; Republic of Korea), in cooperation with the Republic of Chile. APEX is operated by ESO, the 30-meter telescope is operated by IRAM (the IRAM Partner Organizations are MPG (Germany), CNRS (France) and IGN (Spain)), the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope is operated by the EAO, the Large Millimeter Telescope Alfonso Serrano is operated by INAOE and UMass, the Submillimeter Array is operated by SAO and ASIAA and the Submillimeter Telescope is operated by the Arizona Radio Observatory (ARO). The South Pole Telescope is operated by the University of Chicago with specialized EHT instrumentation provided by the University of Arizona.
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
rozz a écrit:ya quelques hemorroides quand meme en partie inférieure....
desolé, j´ai pas pu m´empecher, c´etait trop tentant.... et trop ressemblant.....
Stéphane a écrit:C'est un bel exploit de l'avoir fait.
Mais le rendu est pas très inattendu. Quelque part, tans mieux, on a pas trop mal compris à peu près comment ça marche et l'image qu'on risquait d'en avoir.
Ghinzani a écrit:Grand jour pour Israël. Bereshit devrait se poser sur la Lune.
Le petit état hébreu rentrerait dans le cercle très fermé des états ayant posé un engin lunaire.
Stéphane a écrit:C'était pas un projet privé ?
Porcaro56 a écrit:Ghinzani a écrit:Grand jour pour Israël. Bereshit devrait se poser sur la Lune.
Le petit état hébreu rentrerait dans le cercle très fermé des états ayant posé un engin lunaire.
C est quoi ou qui Bereshit ?
Alfa a écrit:Je pensais qu'ils allaient nous balancer d'abord l'image de notre trou noir a nous au centre de la voie lactée plutôt que celui de cette lointaine galaxie, certes plus gros mais beaucoup plus loin.
Il y a une date de prévu pour le notre ?
Shoemaker a écrit:Alfa a écrit:Je pensais qu'ils allaient nous balancer d'abord l'image de notre trou noir a nous au centre de la voie lactée plutôt que celui de cette lointaine galaxie, certes plus gros mais beaucoup plus loin.
Il y a une date de prévu pour le notre ?
Non, mais on suppose que c'est dans un futur qui s'est déroulé il y a 2 milliards d'années. Serons-nous pas encore là ?
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
Ghinzani a écrit:Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
Stéphane a écrit:Ghinzani a écrit:Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
quoi, c'est pas casher, c'est ça ?
Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
Stéphane a écrit:Sans déconner ?
Shoemaker a écrit:Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
C'est troublant, tout ça, parce que la personne qu'on connaît le mieux, avec qui on passe la totalité de sa vie, on ne verra jamais sa tronche en "vrai" (le trou de balle, c'est encore possible, pour les contorsionnistes )
Ca aurait été sympa et logique, que le Bon Dieu (la Création, ou ce qu'on veut d'autre) nous dote d'yeux au bout de tentacules super mobiles...
Stéphane a écrit:Ca a toujours été plus facile de voir le trou de balle d'un autre que le sien. Je veux dire, avant les miroirs, tout ça.
Nono a écrit:
Si on avait des yeux au bout des tentacules on voudrait voir en face le bout de ces tentacules...
Ouais_supère a écrit:Stef, t'es chiant
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